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This might be of interest to anyone in Gloucestershire/Bristol /South Wales sort of area. It's a small Ford dealership that I had a good experience with when I bought a Mondeo some years ago and I would certainly rather use someone like that than the likes of Halfords. The ad does say they will test for free and service all makes and models and a re-gas for £69.99. Seems like a good price to me.

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Allowing for the acceptable loss of 3% refrigerant per year, the oldest XE at about 4 years should still have around 88% of the gas still in the system.
It will be interesting to see how low that can go before performance is affected and it needs a regas.
 
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PhilB said:
Allowing for the acceptable loss of 3% refrigerant per year, the oldest XE at about 4 years should still have around 88% of the gas still in the system.
It will be interesting to see how low that can go before performance is affected and it needs a regas.
No 64,000 miles in 3.5 years and mine needs a regas, spoke to my local Jaguar specialist at the cars service and high miler XE's are already needing regas, usage over age, I run my aircon all year. I have also been quoted £70 for the new gas, as only one garage in the area can provide the new gas service outside of the franchise dealer.
 
#7 ·
Domfow said:
No 64,000 miles in 3.5 years and mine needs a regas, spoke to my local Jaguar specialist at the cars service and high miler XE's are already needing regas, usage over age, I run my aircon all year. I have also been quoted £70 for the new gas, as only one garage in the area can provide the new gas service outside of the franchise dealer.
Manual says nothing about excessive loss due to usage.
Straightforward 3% per year.
Presumably they tested your system to see how much gas was left?
 
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#8 ·
Mine is still very cold. It took 7 years for my Rover 45V6 to need a regas with the old stuff. No prices but this may help if you are looking...........
https://www.atseuromaster.co.uk/consumer/r1234yf-air-con-regas
 
#9 ·
My previous car, Rangerover, (120,000 miles) was bought secondhand, but I had it for 8 years and never needed to have the air con looked at. My spare/emergency car is a Renault Megan (110.000 miles), which I have owned for over 18 years. The air con always worked and would get very cold quickly if required in the summer. It only recently stopped working, but that a appears to be an electrical problem.

Why are there so many problems reported for the XE? Something isn't right.
 
#11 ·
Vespa said:
It's all to do with faulty foreign condensers that mysteriously attract stones at over 1000 miles an hour to piece them.
My 1 year old approved car had faulty air conditioning as soon as I was driving away from the dealer. Didn't get cold. Went back the next day and they diagnosed a faulty seal or something. Been OK since, but I'm waiting...........
 
#13 ·
Mikeyjd said:
Vespa said:
It's all to do with faulty foreign condensers that mysteriously attract stones at over 1000 miles an hour to piece them.
My 1 year old approved car had faulty air conditioning as soon as I was driving away from the dealer. Didn't get cold. Went back the next day and they diagnosed a faulty seal or something. Been OK since, but I'm waiting...........
That is exactly the same story as mine, 1 year old approved complete with 165 point check. Funnily enough air con not on the list. Because I bought it in Swindon and live near Cardiff, mine went to the local Stratstone when I managed to get it booked in 2 weeks later. They couldnt find any leaks and just regassed it. Back again at 2 years old, same story. Back again at 3 years just before the warranty ended and they finally agreed to change the condenser. Now at 4 years old and I'm pleased to say it's fine.
 
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BOBCDP said:
Mikeyjd said:
Vespa said:
It's all to do with faulty foreign condensers that mysteriously attract stones at over 1000 miles an hour to piece them.
My 1 year old approved car had faulty air conditioning as soon as I was driving away from the dealer. Didn't get cold. Went back the next day and they diagnosed a faulty seal or something. Been OK since, but I'm waiting...........
That is exactly the same story as mine, 1 year old approved complete with 165 point check. Funnily enough air con not on the list. Because I bought it in Swindon and live near Cardiff, mine went to the local Stratstone when I managed to get it booked in 2 weeks later. They couldnt find any leaks and just regassed it. Back again at 2 years old, same story. Back again at 3 years just before the warranty ended and they finally agreed to change the condenser. Now at 4 years old and I'm pleased to say it's fine.
I suspect, not actually the condenser, more the connections to it.
 
#16 ·
Mike Rometer said:
BOBCDP said:
Mikeyjd said:
My 1 year old approved car had faulty air conditioning as soon as I was driving away from the dealer. Didn't get cold. Went back the next day and they diagnosed a faulty seal or something. Been OK since, but I'm waiting...........
That is exactly the same story as mine, 1 year old approved complete with 165 point check. Funnily enough air con not on the list. Because I bought it in Swindon and live near Cardiff, mine went to the local Stratstone when I managed to get it booked in 2 weeks later. They couldnt find any leaks and just regassed it. Back again at 2 years old, same story. Back again at 3 years just before the warranty ended and they finally agreed to change the condenser. Now at 4 years old and I'm pleased to say it's fine.
I suspect, not actually the condenser, more the connections to it.
Could well be. There certainly didn't seem to be any condenser damage on mine. Some condersers on early cars were allegedly holed but as this fault seems to have been prolific on early cars, perhaps there were a batch of faulty seals or maybe the connections just needed a tad more tightening during assembly. We shall never know.
 
#17 ·
I think the issues with earlier XE's and more recent stories about what appeared to be required servicing have caused a lot of scepticism with regards to the air con systems.
The flurry of faults amongst earlier cars seem to have dried up but a lot of us still remember the attempted "con" of saying it was stone damage to the condenser to try and charge owners when in fact the condensers were faulty.
Of course when challenged to see the actual damage the "stone damage" suddenly got forgotten about and they were changed under warranty.
Then the more recent £100 charge for an air-con "service" that was tried on by a dealer on a first service that was apparently needed to keep the warranty ???
Total nonsense of course and intervention by CRC on here got the owner his money back.
 
#19 ·
PhilB said:
Domfow said:
No 64,000 miles in 3.5 years and mine needs a regas, spoke to my local Jaguar specialist at the cars service and high miler XE's are already needing regas, usage over age, I run my aircon all year. I have also been quoted £70 for the new gas, as only one garage in the area can provide the new gas service outside of the franchise dealer.
Manual says nothing about excessive loss due to usage.
Straightforward 3% per year.
Presumably they tested your system to see how much gas was left?
Well I had mine regassed with the new Gas for £90. It had all the tests carried out for pressure etc and passed. The car is now blowing ultra cold air when I need it. It took 30 minutes to refill, therefore using the aircon constantly and I'm on the road early mornings so the aircon is working with the screen to clear along with heated screen, the gas can empty in 3.5 years, I had 2 X types prior to this and neither emptied as quick. I wonder if it's the latest gas, that is used more than the old gas in the new aircon systems?
 
#20 ·
Perhaps worth re-posting this link: http://sibotservices.co.uk/latest-gasses-now-at-sibot-r-1234yf-hfo-1234yf/

Curious that Sibot is a one man band but he seems geared up where so many other "majors" are not.

I suspect Jaguar have through their dealers been less than fair to owners of early cars and dare I say it perhaps knowingly made customers pay for inherent faults that should have been covered by their 3 year warranty. Far be it for me to cast aspersions but makes you wonder........
 
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