[Indianajons]

The earth strap issue is mainly located in the front of the car behind the bulkhead.
I think you need to go for a drive with someone in the back to see if they can locate it.
With the very hot temps recently things might have come unstuck or need a thump back in place.

This is a £40K motor car... if they can't make one that doesn't "come unstuck" or " need a thump back in place" after a spell of hot weather then they deserve to go out of business

Thanks for the constructive observation.
I was just trying to help with the previous question.

No offence meant... I was just trying to point out that until Jag enthusiasts stop tolerating & making excuses for poor quality things will never improve. Remember how quickly Japanese cars & motorbikes improved when people stopped buying them in the 60s & 70s

 

[PhilB]

No offence meant... I was just trying to point out that until Jag enthusiasts stop tolerating & making excuses for poor quality things will never improve. Remember how quickly Japanese cars & motorbikes improved when people stopped buying them in the 60s & 70s

None taken and nobody is making excuses and you are assuming it's poor quality before we know the real cause.

 

[UV Blue]

No offence meant... I was just trying to point out that until Jag enthusiasts stop tolerating & making excuses for poor quality things will never improve. Remember how quickly Japanese cars & motorbikes improved when people stopped buying them in the 60s & 70s

None taken and nobody is making excuses and you are assuming it's poor quality before we know the real cause.

...thanks Phil, I'll try and get a passenger in the back to check out the rattle, as long as they take their shoes off, wear clean clothes, don't break wind and keep their hands off anything anyone is welcome in the back seat! :lol: but right now I'm attending to a minor dent issue, the rattle can wait!

 

[Pongo]

Hi All

My recently acquired 18k mile XE-S has a sort of tappety type noise that increases in speed in sync with revs, and is worst at higher revs (under load), and that could be the 'sewing machine' thing although I wouldn't describe it as a rattle (not knowing what the sewing machine thing sounds like - perhaps one persons sewing machine rattle is another persons high speed tappety?)

Does anyone have the VIN range for affected XE's? My car was registered 0/03/2016 so likely to have been built early 2016.

If the earth strap was 'manufactured to the incorrect specification' as per the TSB then surely a specific batch of cars can be identified and all of those cars will be affected?

Thanks

 

[PhilB]

Can't help with the VIN range but yours sounds like the classic earth strap issue and it's age makes it in the ball park.
I wouldn't worry about the VIN range too much as we have seen others whose cars weren't supposed to be affected by other issues but still needed fixes.
On the first page of this thread is a copy of the technical bulletin JTB 00483V4 which you can quote to the dealer to get the updated strap which should fix things.

 

[Pongo]

Fab - thanks Phil

 

[Pongo]

Looking at the TSB again, it seems to cover VIN 900001 to 929283. Mine is 934274 so quite a while after the supposedly last one affected.

Trying it again earlier, mine does seem to be more of a tappety noise on the overrun than while actually under load. Maybe is something different ? Have booked in next week for a Jaguar tech to have a listen thinking was the earth strap but not sure what to think now....

 

[PhilB]

There are people on here who weren't within the VIN range but still had the noise and had it fixed with the new strap.
I would start with that being the most likely culprit.
Then if you still have noises they can look at other possibilities.
There was another issue early on with one member who had missing grommets in the firewall that allowed excess noise into the cabin so get the techie to check those as well.

 

[Pongo]

Thanks Phil

Have tried on route to work again today. The noise is on both acceleration and overrun. It is just more noticeable on overrun. Only happens above 2,500 revs. Lovely and quiet below that. Near silent on tickover once warm. No tappety noise other than for a few seconds on first cold start up. Doesn't seem to do it (or at least not so loud) when revved while stationary so is only under load. Shame as the car sounds epic otherwise.

Obviously I don't know what the 'official' sewing machine noise sounds like.

Yes, will let Jaguar have a listen and suggest changing the strap anyway. Have only had the car a week and given the simplicity of the earth strap swap hopefully, if there is any doubt, they'll change it anyway as a gesture of goodwill (or whatever).

Otherwise, loving the car though. Just have a niggling feeling that maybe I should have saved up a few more pennies and gone straight for a 380...….

 

[PhilB]

Have only had the car a week and given the simplicity of the earth strap swap hopefully, if there is any doubt, they'll change it anyway as a gesture of goodwill (or whatever).

You should have a 2 year warranty as it's an approved used one?
It's a mechanical defect so should be covered under warranty.

 

[Pongo]

Yes, the car has a 2 year Jaguar approved used warranty. The car is not 3 years old yet and still has six months of the proper 3 year manufacturers warranty to run. The Approved Used warranty then kicks in for the remaining 18 months.

Just thinking I'm going to get the "they all do that sir" thing. Which was why I was going down the gesture route as, if they don't think it is a problem / warranty issue I want them to do it anyway.

I did see something where a bloke bought a £5 earth strap from Halfords and did a DIY thing which fixed the issue to prove the case. Worst comes to the worst I'll try something like that just to see what happens.

Thanks Phil

 

[BRC]

Forgive me if the question has already been asked but does anybody have a recording of the "sewing machine rattle"? I ask because I too have a noise which hitherto I have assumed is a characteristic of the deisel engine but I can't say I have heard anything remotely similar on my last 3 deisel cars nor my wifes current Soda Yetti.
Appreciate any comment as may be avialble.

 

[Repairman]

Hi BRC, I thought there was one on here but cannot find it, but I would say it sounds like its name a sewing machine running on the left-hand side of car, when you compare to the diesel rattle when its cold for example, and when you accelerate it really stands out.
I cannot record mine as it was fixed under warranty with assistance of the tsb posted at the beginning of thread.

 

[BRC]

Thanks Repairman, much appreciated.
I have a feeling the characteristic I mentioned is just that on the basis I loosened the offending earth strap and slightly swivelled the turret connection and in practice I believe there was/is enough slack in the cable. I knew once I started rthe engine that was not the problem and so the hunt continues.
I've got a 700 mile round trip next week and it'll be interesting to see what if any difference that makes.

 

[JiggyJag]

BRC - I had a rattle on my 180D under acceleration from about 1800 revs. Turned out to be loose wiring behind the centre console.
Sorted out under warranty

 

[BRC]

Hi JiggyJag
Many thanks for the observation. I think what I will try and do is record the noise I have and see if it chimes with anyone elses expereince. I'm keen to resolve as much as I can before the warrenty runs out in about 3 months time.

 

[JiggyJag]

Good move BRC and best of luck.

 

[Pongo]

Have just had a look at my earth cable and it looks like the one Phil took a photo of on his (foil surround not rubber). So it may be the later (non sewing machine) version:

My car was registered 1st March 2016 and is outside the VIN range in the TSB - but there is mention of cars outside the range still being fixed by a new earth strap.

If it isn't this then maybe my tickety noise is normal. Shame as the engine otherwise is a peach on terms if performance - it just sounds like a thrashed Ford Fiesta.

Questions:

1. Has anyone with a 16 plate onwards (say VIN 934000 onwards) had a problem with the earth strap?

2. If yes, was their problem strap the newer losing foil covered type and how did they convince Jaguar to change it despite being outside VIN range ? (and meaning newer foil type is no guarantee of no problem)

3. Does the sewing machine noise make the car sound like a thrashed Fiesta at revs over 3,000?

I have a feeling that I'm going to get "they all do that sir" on Thursday when the Jag tech listens to it. I find it hard to believe this engine sounds like this in an f-type.....

Thanks all

 

[Pongo]

Hmmm. Jaguar tech could hear what I meant but said he thought it was normal engine noise.

Not knowing what the official 'sewing machine' sound sounds like, and not having been in another XE-S, I'm kind of on a sticky wicket. Maybe they really do all sound like mine.

If there is anyone in the Worcestershire area with a 340 XE-S who'd be happy to meet up and have a mutual 'listen' that would be good !

Thanks all

 

[Jagxesmn]

I have a march 2016 XES. It has the plastic coated earth strap and a mild sewing machine noise from central vents. I trialled the £5.99 Halfords braided strap solution and fixed the noise. Unfortunately I'm near Bedford otherwise I could demonstrate before and after to you unless you're over this way sometime.
I might try and get the warranty repair before 3 yrs are up but nearest dealer is 20 miles which is a long way for arguments of the "sorry they all do that variety"!!

Rgds
Steve