[Guest]

JLR had a modified longer lead available so it may be standard on yours now. I have spent a couple of hours today trying to find the part numbers of old and new which I located 3 days back in my XE volumes but at present can't find it. I will have to sort out all my files as they have gradually been built up over 5 years or so and become totally disjointed.

 

[Colt]

JLR had a modified longer lead available so it may be standard on yours now. I have spent a couple of hours today trying to find the part numbers of old and new which I located 3 days back in my XE volumes but at present can't find it. I will have to sort out all my files as they have gradually been built up over 5 years or so and become totally disjointed.

Ok thanks Vespa 👍

 

[JAGDH]

Hi all,

Sorry to resurrect this, but I have a 2015 Jag XE 2.0d which has the original earth cable (has a test date of 2015 a few months before the car was registered and is the plastic sheathed kind).

The sound I'm experiencing could be described as a sewing machine or a rattle/vibration/resonance that sounds like it's coming from the passenger side of the dashboard/vent or from the central vents maybe. It all sounded like I'd found the cause of the issue - This can only be heard inside the car also. I've tried getting a passenger to hold every single piece of plastic and it's driving me a bit nuts if I don't have the radio on to drown it out.

I tried doing the Halfords fix and sadly it hasn't removed the sound, not sure if I did something wrong, maybe I bent the Halfords cable a bit too much or there's a problem with the nut bolt and washers I used to connect to the old lead.

Anyway I am real disappointed and thinking of getting a quote from the local Jag dealership to have the official fix applied, the cars VIN falls within the range and I'll be paying out my own pocket so expect there won't be an issue. I'm hoping that maybe I've just done something wrong, I've ordered another Halfords earth lead in case I did indeed twist it about too much.

To be sure can anybody who's experienced this please listen to the below clip and see if it's even remotely like the sewing machine sound? If it's not I may start taking the dash apart this weekend to hunt around, otherewise plan is to re-try the halfords fix with a new cable/bolts, and then go in for the official fix.

Here's the clip, what do you think? The clip makes it sound worse than it is tbf, but you can hear when it gets to around 1800rpm and then is held at 2k rpm that the sound is clear:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiLDYdBp-N27gP7VMF3JSzRpHn3iC3s?e=8zJDJQ

 

[fireblader929]

Hi JAGDH,

I listened to your recording. That doesn't sound like the sewing machine noise I was getting. The noise I would hear was a slower ticking noise (from the high pressure fuel pump) at the speeds you would hear from a sewing machine. The noise from your car is at quite a higher frequency.

I don't know if it's because yours is a diesel and there's a difference in sound compared to the V6 petrol engine but it's definitely a different sound. Also, the sound you're hearing sounds quite a bit louder than the "sewing machine" ticking.

Good luck tracking it down...

-Steve

 

[Guest]

Do you have a panoramic roof? If so gently press all around the inside black plastic trim as it was known that some were not pushed home fully. Mine was one and that fixed a rattle that seemed to be "somewhere" on the passenger side but wasn't.

 

[BRC]

Hi JAGDH
Personally I would think that could well be the noise so often complained about at least on diesel models. What I cannot understand is your reference to the Halfords strap and whether you have mounted it correctly. The strap doesn't need twisting other than a gentle 90 degree bend to the earth point near the expansion tank. At the same time do make sure the original strap to which you attach the Halfords is oriented as far as possible to a point where there is little to no risk it will come into contact with any other part of the car. This will negate the chance of the primary cause finding a secondary noise pathway. If it's mounted correctly the straps should be free to move but not so much they could indirectly come into contact with the car bodywork or components.

 

[Guest]

I thought it was just the V6 that had this issue?

 

[JAGDH]

Hi JAGDH
Personally I would think that could well be the noise so often complained about at least on diesel models. What I cannot understand is your reference to the Halfords strap and whether you have mounted it correctly. The strap doesn't need twisting other than a gentle 90 degree bend to the earth point near the expansion tank.

It's likely I've done it correctly, but perhaps it just wasn't the cause of the problem I'm experiencing - At least the Halfords fix gives the lead a bit more length as I've seen the odd post where people have had the earth lead snap completely due to how tight it is.

I thought it was just the V6 that had this issue?

I've seen a few threads on different forums where people have debated this and many with Diesel engine owners claiming they've definitely had the issue. Sounds like my rattle/noise might be something else. It looks like my VIN is in the range of the tech bulletin (not sure if they mention specific engines on that or not).

Do you have a panoramic roof? If so gently press all around the inside black plastic trim as it was known that some were not pushed home fully. Mine was one and that fixed a rattle that seemed to be "somewhere" on the passenger side but wasn't.

I had a look at that now, pushed it all in and held whilst driving, doesn't seem to make a difference sadly so can't be that. It sounds like it's coming from the dashboard somewhere but it could be behind the glovebox, could be right at the back centre near the window, really hard to tell and not obvious where, but very obvious it's there.

I had a look under the centre speaker grille (no speaker in mine with the standard sound system), but couldn't see anything loose or moving from there. It looks like there is a panel in the Centre right by the window behind the reva hoop that might come off easily so could be somewhere to try investigating if I can get my head in to see.

I'm getting close to either taking apart the dash (like I say, would prefer not to start taking the interior apart) or just trading in / selling the car for something else but that would be a shame as i love the car otherwise

 

[Repairman]

Hi all,

Sorry to resurrect this, but I have a 2015 Jag XE 2.0d which has the original earth cable (has a test date of 2015 a few months before the car was registered and is the plastic sheathed kind).

The sound I'm experiencing could be described as a sewing machine or a rattle/vibration/resonance that sounds like it's coming from the passenger side of the dashboard/vent or from the central vents maybe. It all sounded like I'd found the cause of the issue - This can only be heard inside the car also. I've tried getting a passenger to hold every single piece of plastic and it's driving me a bit nuts if I don't have the radio on to drown it out.

I tried doing the Halfords fix and sadly it hasn't removed the sound, not sure if I did something wrong, maybe I bent the Halfords cable a bit too much or there's a problem with the nut bolt and washers I used to connect to the old lead.

Anyway I am real disappointed and thinking of getting a quote from the local Jag dealership to have the official fix applied, the cars VIN falls within the range and I'll be paying out my own pocket so expect there won't be an issue. I'm hoping that maybe I've just done something wrong, I've ordered another Halfords earth lead in case I did indeed twist it about too much.

To be sure can anybody who's experienced this please listen to the below clip and see if it's even remotely like the sewing machine sound? If it's not I may start taking the dash apart this weekend to hunt around, otherewise plan is to re-try the halfords fix with a new cable/bolts, and then go in for the official fix.

Here's the clip, what do you think? The clip makes it sound worse than it is tbf, but you can hear when it gets to around 1800rpm and then is held at 2k rpm that the sound is clear:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiLDYdBp-N27gP7VMF3JSzRpHn3iC3s?e=8zJDJQ

I had sewing machine noise on my XE and have a very quiet version on my XF, and sound in clip does not sound like same sound, yours sounds inline with engine revs whereas sewing machine noise stayed at more fixed rate, independant of revs,

Regards Repairman

 

[JAGDH]

Looking like a different, not so easily solved issue then. I'll probably go as far as getting the glove box out and see if it stops or makes it more obvious what's causing it but if I can't solve it might have to sell after a very short ownership, problem with that is there's no other cars I really want :lol: except maybe a Panamera Diesel (yes I really like how they look). it was the alternative car I was considering but opted for a newer Jag XE which cost a bit less also.

Could try another XE or an XF maybe.....Preferred option is find the source of the noise and resolve it so I've opened another thread on the interiors section since this doesn't appear to be the sewing machine - I am assuming now it's something in the interior and not an engine related issue as can't hear anything like this when outside the car.

 

[BOBCDP]

Looking like a different, not so easily solved issue then. I'll probably go as far as getting the glove box out and see if it stops or makes it more obvious what's causing it

If you decide to remove the glovebox, you may find this useful: https://www.xeforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6572&p=88075&hilit=cabin+filter#p88075.
When you get it out, it will enable you to have a good look underneath the dash and over towards to centre and see if you can see anything that might be causing the problem.

Nothing worse than a rattle you can't find. Good luck with it.

 

[JAGDH]

Looking like a different, not so easily solved issue then. I'll probably go as far as getting the glove box out and see if it stops or makes it more obvious what's causing it

If you decide to remove the glovebox, you may find this useful: https://www.xeforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6572&p=88075&hilit=cabin+filter#p88075.
When you get it out, it will enable you to have a good look underneath the dash and over towards to centre and see if you can see anything that might be causing the problem.

Nothing worse than a rattle you can't find. Good luck with it.

Thank you for that, as I have kind of determined this probably isn't the sewing machine I've started a separate thread earlier:
https://www.xeforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8981

And I might have actually solved the issue Without removing the glovebox based on my most recent attempt and quick test drive. I put details in the thread but I randomly found a post (which I've never came across until I started specifically googling fuse box rattles) that talked about cable tidying a wire under the bonnet....If anybody has a chance to nip over to the threat I linked above I am keen to find out where the wire actually goes, and if it related in any way to the fuse box in the passenger footwell

 

[TheStick]

Hello there!

Sorry for digging out this old thread but i think this might could be the solution im looking for.

My 2.0 Diesel does (only when its cold outside) a weird tapping/clatter like noise in idle. It starts a few seconds after firing up the engine and goes away after 2-3mins. Its really weird that in only happens when its cold outside but it drives me crazy. When i start driving the car while the noise is still "active" i can hear an almost "gurgling" sound which goes with the rpm. I will drive to a local car part dealer and buy a earth strap and give it a try. I really hope it solves the problem!

At first i thought it was the timing chain so I drove to my local JLR dealer today and hat the pleasure to talk to a really good mechanic. He then told me that he hadn't had to change a timing chain since he works for JLR and he can't imagine that's the problem because if it was the timing chain, the noise would still be there when the engine is warmed up. He also said that the noise would even be worse when it's warmed up because metal is expanding when getting hot. For me personally, that made total sense. What do u think?

I will give a feedback tomorrow evening how it all worked out and will also make a video for comparing the noises before and after.

Thanks to all the great members of this forum who make all this possible!

 

[PhilB]

You now have three threads on the same issue.
I see you have spoken to a mechanic and they have said it's ok.
On your other topic other members have said that the noise when cold on a diesel engine is quite normal until they warm up.
My previous V6 petrols were both were slightly "tappety" until warmed up.
It's quite normal with petrol and diesel engines in colder climates until they warm up.
This topic was about a noise from the fuel pump which in some cases was transmitted through the earth strap.
It was there all the time and didn't go once the car was warmed up.
I don't think you need to worry about this issue.

 

[mrb]

I think I might have the sewing machine noise under hard acceleration. As I am out of warranty will Jaguar still fix it FOC?

 

[PhilB]

I think I might have the sewing machine noise under hard acceleration. As I am out of warranty will Jaguar still fix it FOC?

In a word no.
Plus this particular issue is for a noise that is there all the time not just when accelerating.
That could be many different things so don't rely on this "old" issue which affected early cars .
The earth straps were changed for a different version on later cars.

 

[mrb]

OK thanks. Mine is only there on hard acceleration and tbh normally my music is on so drowns it out!

 

[rayaans]

So it appears my XE is making a ticking noise......

Mine is a 15 plate XE-S.

Characteristics - worse on cold start, its a ticking noise from the engine bay and honestly, it does sound like a sewing machine. Tends to die down after the engine is fully warm but its definitely there still, its very faint but enough to be able to annoy me. Would also say I can hear it going down slopes when engine braking and it definitely relates to the engine speed.

The VIN ends in 905753 so corresponds with the TSB

I've taken a look at the earth cable and it does say tested in 2015 so must be the original part

 

[TheStick]

You now have three threads on the same issue.
I see you have spoken to a mechanic and they have said it's ok.
On your other topic other members have said that the noise when cold on a diesel engine is quite normal until they warm up.
My previous V6 petrols were both were slightly "tappety" until warmed up.
It's quite normal with petrol and diesel engines in colder climates until they warm up.
This topic was about a noise from the fuel pump which in some cases was transmitted through the earth strap.
It was there all the time and didn't go once the car was warmed up.
I don't think you need to worry about this issue.

Hey PhilB! Sorry for the double posting, that wasnt my intention. Thank you for putting the threads together!

And u were totally right. I tried this fix but it didnt changed anything at all. My strap was from 2015 but it seems to be ok. So i take to extension-strap out again.

 

[rayaans]

So, from my previous post - today I have completed the "Halfords DIY"

Bloody hell - who would have thought a 9cm £4.99 part would solve this racket! Im shocked, honestly!

The engine was mildly warm, but I noticed straight away, no unusual ticking noise and she's purring away, however, Ill confirm in the morning.

Having said that, wasn't a 5 minute fix for me, actually took me a whole hour as I just didnt have enough space to get my hands in so had to remove all the clips for the wires running around the coolant tub. Then had to try and move it so i could actually fit a spanner in. Then had an issue with removing the nut because it was way too tight but managed in the end using a hammer on the spanner.

But, got it done in the end, and im very happy...... hopefully...... until tomorrow morning :lol: