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Hello everyone,
Sorry for the long post but better for context.😉

I know this has been raised before but they are old posts so I thought it would be good to share my latest experience.
I have an XE P250 (25t) R-SPORT 2017 and have had it for a while. It came with the 19inch Venoms with Dunlop tires standard from Jaguar. Loads of extras and packs galore as it was an ex demonstrator.

When I test drove the car, around the dealership area it was mainly good roads and the ride seemed good, smooth, quiet and comfortable all for the 30 minutes.
The dealership was 5 hour drive away. On the way home I started to notice the road noise. There wasn't much wind noise because the road noise drowned out everything. It was the worst road noise ever in a car I owned.

I bought a set of 18" XE alloy wheels with tyres to match giving more distance from the road to the wheel. These had Pirelli tyres on and made a marginal difference.

Spoke to Jaguar numerous times, Jaguar wasn't interested at all as they normally aren't. I got a sound meter as others have done and the sound was 70-89db constant depending on road type. This s was on the journey back to the dealer a short while ago.
My wife's fiesta is 65-75db and it is 2011,diesel, manual. Engine noise is more but the road noise is less, much less.

In the XE, sometimes I cannot speak on the phone via the Bluetooth because I have to wait for the road surface to change because it is just too loud. On the concrete on the M25 you have trouble having a conversation with the person next to you. My Mrs won't go on a long drive in it because it gives her a headache ☹
I went to the Jaguar dealership where I bought it just recently to drive an XE HSE 2022. No difference at all and the dealer said it won't because it is basically the same car. All the dealer wanted to do was get me to buy a new car, no interest in the issue of road noise, wasn't event interested in driving in it to experience it. It was a long way to go to be disregarded like that. Not what I expect for a £37K car! Jaguar have really disappointed me because they are not interested and didn't want to discuss it much except when they tried to get me to trade mine in and take the road noise issue into account on the trade in price. Typical dealer.
Loads of conversation about a new F-Pace though!

I know others have noticed the road noise too... Is there a way to cure it, anyone resolved it or just get rid of the car? I can't continue with it as is and have only done 15K miles in 4 years, would rather drive the ford fiesta.
I had a XF 2013 2.2d 200 that I traded for the XE and the ride was what I would expect from a Jaguar, smooth, whisper quiet and glides.

Any thoughts as I'm stumped? Do the 2016+ XF have the same issue with road noise? I thought to ask here before I sell it.

Love the car, the drive and everything but the road noise is unbearable.

I'm definitely rethinking whether to stay with Jaguar as the quality just isn't there in the ride anymore.
 

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How much tread is on them now? After around 6mm and a couple of years, the tyre hardens and becomes noisier.You also have to take in the width factor and that will make the noise even more. Comparison with a Fiesta is not like for like. Road surfaces vary so much as to make noise more or less noticable. In N Wales recently we had a long stretch of newly laid road with a super quiet ride. So noticable that even engine noise was not that evident. Remember you have bought the R Sport version with stiffer suspension, designed for that extra bit of sports road holding in spirited driving. Also your tyres are 5 years old if they are factory fitment and are in their last real servicable year, as they should be dumped at 5 years irrespective of tread left. They are more prone at this age to have damaged side walls and are structurally worn. Many on here like Michelins, so they maybe worth a look.
 

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agree, xf was just another level, but my 2017 xe is not that far off :unsure:
 

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Same when I first got mine... noisiest car I've ever owned... sounded like there was a window slightly open but got used to it now though. Inner door seals would probably help (some owners have added them), other than that get it professionally soundproofed.
 

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If noise is an important issue for you, might I suggest you look at a tyre website such as Camskill where all the Euro tyre specs are readily comparable. (except wear rate). Most tyres seem around the 71db level, but even a drop to 70db is significant. As the groves wear and become shallower the tyre will become noisier.
From new at 68-69db, is as quiet as you will get.:)
 
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I've also found my MY20 XE to suffer from unpleasant road noise on all but the newest smooth tarmac road surfaces. On some coarse road surfaces I've even been thinking that the car is suffering from worn rear wheel bearings there is so much noise, most of which appears to be coming from the rear of the car. The bearings must be OK though because the noise almost disappears on the smoothest surfaces. I wonder if the amount of road noise transmitted to the cabin is due to the aluminium body being less able to damp out noise than a steel body? My other car - a 1993 Cavalier V6 - is all steel and much quieter, even though the suspension setup itself is much cruder than the XE. Of course the Cavalier has deeper profile, thinner tyres, so that may help.
Still, the lack of noise damping with an aluminium body wouldn't explain the quietness reported for the XF. Maybe JLR has economised on sound proofing/damping on the later XEs?
 

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Are the tyres dB measurements for the outside of the car to the sound on the road rather than inside?

I have been looking into the dampening but it was quoted at £2000 and that is if it works as expected.
 

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Thanks for the replies all. I test drove an F-Pace yesterday and it wasn't that quiet either. Maybe Jaguar have changed something and cut back. Going to test drive a XF and a XJ at the weekend. Will report back to the ride.
 

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I may be stating the obvious, but have you considered that low profile tyres (and large wheels) are not for you?
Modern cars come with wide tyres with a small tyre wall. It's almost a fashion trend. Larger wheels generally enhance the looks of a car.
20 years ago wheels were smaller, tyres were thinner, and tyre walls much deeper. Handling was universally much worse as well.

Surfaces such as concrete sections of the M25 are incredibly noisy with a low profile tyre. Any. This was also true of my S-Types which had the Sport tyre of the day (with 18 inch wheels). The A3-A24 section is notorious.
Engine sound and wind noise is incredibly hushed in a modern car. (My XE is whisper quiet at 70mph on the right surface) but tyre noise on bad surfaces can be high.
In my other half's Kia Ceed, which has squishy large tyre walls and thin tyres and handles like a comfortable sofa, tyre noise is lower (though other mechanical noises are higher).

You likely want a much smaller wheel and higher profile tyre if tyre roar is your priority when buying a car of this class.
XEs in India come with 17 inch alloys to handle their roads, they are so bad. The cars don't suit the look so well, but it's practical. Perhaps try a car with a different wheel setup if sports tyres are not your thing?
 

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I opted for the 17 inch wheels as I preferred to prioritise ride comfort over ultimate handling. I'm happy with that choice and there is no discernible tyre noise at 50 mph (which is the max speed limit here).
 

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I opted for the 17 inch wheels as I preferred to prioritise ride comfort over ultimate handling. I'm happy with that choice and there is no discernible tyre noise at 50 mph (which is the max speed limit here).
Very sensible! I have been on your Maltese buses. My goodness your roads can be terrible! :eek: (Much like my experience of Bangalore which is why I thought of the Indian example above).

Your XE will handle better than anything else on the Island, I am quite sure.
(Must go back to the Ta'Qali air museum soon. Lovely place. Lovely people.)
 
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As I have said, age and size of the tyre will make the noise worse or better. That seems the consensus of all replying. Your best bet if it's so annoying is get hold of a set of smaller wheels so you can have a larger tyre wall. That will help. You could always try running softer winter tyres as normal. I am not sure that is a good idea for summer as I think you will only get half the wear out of them.
 

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On my current ride with the Michelin PS4S it's down to the road surface.
On most roads they are very quiet but concrete surfaces and some others can cause noise.
Bucks county council in their wisdom have recently decided to "resurface" a main arterial route near me.
After many years of patching a knackered surface instead of taking it off and relaying properly, they have done the cheaper "tar and chippings" job.
Very very noisy and will take months and many HGV's to calm it down.
 

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You could always try running softer winter tyres as normal. I am not sure that is a good idea for summer as I think you will only get half the wear out of them.
winters are not getting more wear in summer - on wifes car we just recently changed to summers (DO NOT ask why...) and the wear is normal, considering they were on the car in 25+ degs recently.

wear is not worse than summers, but handling - that's completely different matter, they are waay to soft, would not recommend for spirited driving, but grandma style? it's still ok ;)
 

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After driving the XJ there is a fair amount of difference in ride quality as you might expect but all the size of the car is huge. XF was better but not by that much. The older XFs are much better. After looking around I have decided to go for the sound deadening/proofing and make the little XE drive much quieter as to me this is my only gripe. I'm getting it done in a couple of weeks throughout the whole car. I'll let you know how much difference there is once completed.
 

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FutureXE,
Search "Dynamat" on the XE Forum under the below thread to find my related post (#32) on this sound deadening/proofing topic:
Good luck!
 

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After getting Jaguar trying to give my car for peanuts to get a new one I have decided to keep the XE and this is why.

After doing some extensive research and talking to some people yesterday, the XE has a various amount of improvements to make to get it at what I would call Jaguar level standard. Jaguar's level standard has dropped somewhat. As Jaguar and other car makers such as BMW and Mercedes, Lexus have all cut back on the 'insulation' and little extras that make a difference there are many cars now with road noise and ambient noise that we didn't have before. Apparently this is all to make the vehicle lighter to save on fuel and the environment plus to reduce the price of the vehicle in Jaguars sense anyway (Maybach, S-Class, XJ Audi S8 etc obviously do not care about any of the environment stuff or the fuel) or is it more like save money for the manufacture....probably the latter I think.

Of the people I spoke to, the most interesting people I spoke to was: one, a Jaguar technician who explained the XE is the way it is through intention, a business decision by Jaguar. He had an XE and swapped it out to a Honda because they don't cut as many corners and Honda are starting to advertise their in cabin db levels - cool eh....and they are much more reliable.

The plan for Jaguar was and still is, is to brand the name and this is where the HSE comes from. It is branded with the Range Rover style and the XE and XF is seen as the cheaper of the JLR range. The new XE isn't any different and will suffer the same issues for anyone ordering a new one as may the XF. There are also no optional extras to combat this. Some people on the forum have said 'how did Jaguar miss this' - they didn't miss it, it was a business decision. Jaguar are not very good at putting things right, they like to keep the recalls down and road noise isn't a danger to life. Albeit, there is a refusal to not acknowledge it by Jaguar as an issue too though . In my option I think Jaguar should offer to have the materials put in even at a price but just to refuse to even agree it is there is poor.

The issue with us XE and XF owners (newer ones) is the the JLR group are not concerned with what we think because most of their bussiness is in the Range Rover - only 15% is the XE/XF compared to the rest of the JLR range and we don't matter to much especially for something like road noise. :(:unsure:(n)

The other interesting person I spoke to was an audio sound specialist who said that these days he is so busy with sound deadening in new cars, the amount of new cars is incredible. All car manufactures too. Some people with cars more or less brand new fitting them out with mats and insulation. He did say that the Meridian surround is a fine system and it pays to hear it properly. He did say that heavy duty rubber mats in the boot and on the car floor can make a difference as well as thick rubber is one of the best sound insulators.

So what do we need to address on the XE?

So these issues are on lots of cars and the one in focus, the XE - These are not limited to:
Seals - doors, bonnet, boot - On the XE the seals are single not double. The XF's around the 2011 definitely have double seals. Some people have mentioned the dirt on the wheel arch on the XE as dirt and water gets to the arch before the inner seal as there is no outer seal. The boot and bonnet only have single flimsy seals. Get the seals sorted all around the car.

Insulation - The insulation has been cut back, apparently the BMW 3 series is terrible and worse than the XE. The 5 series isn't what it was either and the C-Class isn't much better. All of these also have rubbish sound systems unless you opt for the upgrade. The sound is only as good as the environment it is in and sound is lost through clashing frequencies such as bass and treble. A recording studio is soundproffed for better sound to hear all the frequency range- why off a sound system at the level of Meridian, BOSE, Harman Kardon, Bermeister etc when you can't hear it properly because the soundproofing is missing - its strange that to do that.
The insulation is cut back in the boot, boot lid, seating area (under and around), Roof lining, bulkhead (Between engine and front occupants), doors, wheel arches and bonnet. All of these areas make up for the sound barrier. If some or none of it is there every noise and grumble will be heard together. Some of the insulation is in the XE, I have insulation on the bonnet, no much just a black area attached to the underside. There is none in the doors, boot (white metal all around), bootlid, roof, floor (although there is carpet) or wheel arches front or back. The doors are metal under the door card with a cavity then the door skin then the outside world. My wife's 2011 Fiesta has more as I checked today

Tyres are not much to do with it as the Tyres change shape with heat and tread. There are so many opinions on tyres but they are irrelevant to comfort and noise if none of the above is there. Once the above is there then the tyres will make a slight difference. Tire's are a moving target as well because of road surfaces, weather conditions, style of driving and use. If you were to put the car on a straight road with all different surfaces the tyres wouldn't be much different. Going round corners is a different story.

So with all this, it appears that the only way to combat the noise in the XE and lots of other cars come to that is to put this into the car, put the seals and insulation in that the manufacture didn't
Having a top sound system is pointless if you can't hear it. I love music, I don't want to hear the engine, the road noise, wind or other cars - I want to experience the music just like I did on my older XF - this is my mission too make the little superb but noisy XE into a sublime, smooth and quiet driving machine. The only time I would expect any engine noise or road noise is when the 290 horses are running like the clappers!;)

The first thing I will do is all the seals and heavy mats before I take it to the Dynamat installers just to see if there is a difference. Then the dynamat installers and see that difference. I will get this all done on my XE within the next few weeks and I will come back with the results as I will test the sound, noise and other factors with a db meter. I will also try both sets of wheels out of curiosity.

🤞 I'll report back once it is done in a few weeks.
 
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