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After getting Jaguar trying to give my car for peanuts to get a new one I have decided to keep the XE and this is why.

After doing some extensive research and talking to some people yesterday, the XE has a various amount of improvements to make to get it at what I would call Jaguar level standard. Jaguar's level standard has dropped somewhat. As Jaguar and other car makers such as BMW and Mercedes, Lexus have all cut back on the 'insulation' and little extras that make a difference there are many cars now with road noise and ambient noise that we didn't have before. Apparently this is all to make the vehicle lighter to save on fuel and the environment plus to reduce the price of the vehicle in Jaguars sense anyway (Maybach, S-Class, XJ Audi S8 etc obviously do not care about any of the environment stuff or the fuel) or is it more like save money for the manufacture....probably the latter I think.

Of the people I spoke to, the most interesting people I spoke to was: one, a Jaguar technician who explained the XE is the way it is through intention, a business decision by Jaguar. He had an XE and swapped it out to a Honda because they don't cut as many corners and Honda are starting to advertise their in cabin db levels - cool eh....and they are much more reliable.

The plan for Jaguar was and still is, is to brand the name and this is where the HSE comes from. It is branded with the Range Rover style and the XE and XF is seen as the cheaper of the JLR range. The new XE isn't any different and will suffer the same issues for anyone ordering a new one as may the XF. There are also no optional extras to combat this. Some people on the forum have said 'how did Jaguar miss this' - they didn't miss it, it was a business decision. Jaguar are not very good at putting things right, they like to keep the recalls down and road noise isn't a danger to life. Albeit, there is a refusal to not acknowledge it by Jaguar as an issue too though . In my option I think Jaguar should offer to have the materials put in even at a price but just to refuse to even agree it is there is poor.

The issue with us XE and XF owners (newer ones) is the the JLR group are not concerned with what we think because most of their bussiness is in the Range Rover - only 15% is the XE/XF compared to the rest of the JLR range and we don't matter to much especially for something like road noise. :(:unsure:(n)

The other interesting person I spoke to was an audio sound specialist who said that these days he is so busy with sound deadening in new cars, the amount of new cars is incredible. All car manufactures too. Some people with cars more or less brand new fitting them out with mats and insulation. He did say that the Meridian surround is a fine system and it pays to hear it properly. He did say that heavy duty rubber mats in the boot and on the car floor can make a difference as well as thick rubber is one of the best sound insulators.

So what do we need to address on the XE?

So these issues are on lots of cars and the one in focus, the XE - These are not limited to:
Seals - doors, bonnet, boot - On the XE the seals are single not double. The XF's around the 2011 definitely have double seals. Some people have mentioned the dirt on the wheel arch on the XE as dirt and water gets to the arch before the inner seal as there is no outer seal. The boot and bonnet only have single flimsy seals. Get the seals sorted all around the car.

Insulation - The insulation has been cut back, apparently the BMW 3 series is terrible and worse than the XE. The 5 series isn't what it was either and the C-Class isn't much better. All of these also have rubbish sound systems unless you opt for the upgrade. The sound is only as good as the environment it is in and sound is lost through clashing frequencies such as bass and treble. A recording studio is soundproffed for better sound to hear all the frequency range- why off a sound system at the level of Meridian, BOSE, Harman Kardon, Bermeister etc when you can't hear it properly because the soundproofing is missing - its strange that to do that.
The insulation is cut back in the boot, boot lid, seating area (under and around), Roof lining, bulkhead (Between engine and front occupants), doors, wheel arches and bonnet. All of these areas make up for the sound barrier. If some or none of it is there every noise and grumble will be heard together. Some of the insulation is in the XE, I have insulation on the bonnet, no much just a black area attached to the underside. There is none in the doors, boot (white metal all around), bootlid, roof, floor (although there is carpet) or wheel arches front or back. The doors are metal under the door card with a cavity then the door skin then the outside world. My wife's 2011 Fiesta has more as I checked today

Tyres are not much to do with it as the Tyres change shape with heat and tread. There are so many opinions on tyres but they are irrelevant to comfort and noise if none of the above is there. Once the above is there then the tyres will make a slight difference. Tire's are a moving target as well because of road surfaces, weather conditions, style of driving and use. If you were to put the car on a straight road with all different surfaces the tyres wouldn't be much different. Going round corners is a different story.

So with all this, it appears that the only way to combat the noise in the XE and lots of other cars come to that is to put this into the car, put the seals and insulation in that the manufacture didn't
Having a top sound system is pointless if you can't hear it. I love music, I don't want to hear the engine, the road noise, wind or other cars - I want to experience the music just like I did on my older XF - this is my mission too make the little superb but noisy XE into a sublime, smooth and quiet driving machine. The only time I would expect any engine noise or road noise is when the 290 horses are running like the clappers!;)

The first thing I will do is all the seals and heavy mats before I take it to the Dynamat installers just to see if there is a difference. Then the dynamat installers and see that difference. I will get this all done on my XE within the next few weeks and I will come back with the results as I will test the sound, noise and other factors with a db meter. I will also try both sets of wheels out of curiosity.

馃 I'll report back once it is done in a few weeks.
Very interesting, from now on I will be watching this thread with a great deal of interest.
I have always believed that road noise and wind noise was a huge issue with my car.
JLR did have my car back on several occasions whilst it was still in warranty.
They changed a couple of door seals which, at the time made a small improvement but in reality probably only took it back to the day it rolled off the production line.
Since then I have added my own secondary door seals (a small improvement) and regularly treat the OE seals with Gummi Pflege which keeps them soft and supple and restores their original shape.
 

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I have had all the door seals done and the seal around the bonnet. It has made a big difference and now there is the road noise that has been more segregated to the back of the car.
The dB is 3db lower since applying the seals. The seals were done in two places on all doors with two different size seals. This one for the outer part and the bottom of the doors.
This one for the top of the doors and door edge
Dricar Car Door Seal Strip,... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B093H1H4ZH?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
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The outer doors with the 16mm, bonnet, boot and door edge with the smaller seal. Cost about 拢35.
Next will be the Dynamat on doors, boot, arches and floor + bonnet area and also a thick rubber boot mat +rubber mats for inside (where the feet mats go)
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Thank you for going to the trouble of posting all the pictures and links - you've inspired me to at least do the doors!

I can confirm that the Jaguar rubber boot map does help kill some of the sound in the cabin, or at least change it to a lower, more friendly, frequency. Either way its a definite improvement. I also intend using sound deadening material in the boot under the rear parcel shelf. There are a number of holes stamped through the sheet metal, and my experience with the rubber mat makes me think the boot is acting like a speaker cabinet amplifying the noise into the cabin. Probably won't be able to get to this for a couple of weeks, but will report back.
 
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