XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by BOBCDP » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Mike Rometer wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:58 pm
Appreciated PhilB, just thought someone might have an idea so I could check if I'm likely to be affected. These production problems usually occur in the early releases or at change of supplier. I fall into the former!

Late Edit : - I HAVE been back and read two full threads (from links) and it seems mostly early cars are affected. Mine was reg'ed in first week December 2015, so I will take a look and see if I can fit some sort of extra guard, so the 'excuse' is invalid. O.o.w. or not, it should give some insurance. Also I will have no qualms in using one of our local A/C specialists, should the need arise.
This might be of help Mike

I had my condenser replaced after having the air con regassed at 1 year old, then again at 2 years old (Dealer could not find any leaks on either occasion) and then telling them to fix it once and for all just before the warranty ran out at 3 years old. They finally agreed there was a slight leak and changed it.

I know others will disagree but I think the condenser is highly vulnerable to stone damage through the large holes in both the top and lower grilles. You only have to look at the stone chips on the lower skirt and bumper to see that.
I decided last year after having the new condenser fitted to be safe rather than sorry and I made a simple shield which can be seen in the attached pics.

I used some galvanised steel bar from Screwfix cut to size to make a frame large enough to protect the whole condenser area and then clamped wire mesh between the bars and bolted the whole thing together with m5 nuts, bolts and washers. I then cut a couple of pieces of the steel bar to make L shape brackets which I attached to the shield frame and suspended it from the bolts shown at the extreme left and right of the first pic.

Links to the bits I used.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/alfer-galvan ... 00mm/9227p
https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-butt ... pack/8341t
https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-a2-s ... pack/2639t
wire mesh ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1

Shield 01.jpg


The pic below is looking from above . I found the frame moved very slightly front to back as it was not secured at the bottom so I used a piece of foam which you can just see at bottom left of the pic, to prevent any movement.

Shield 02.jpg


In the pic below you can just see the L shape bracket used to hang the shield.

Shield 03.jpg


The pic below shows the view of the shield through the main grille. It does go right to the bottom so that it protects against any stones coming through the lower grille.

Shield 04.jpg



From memory I think the whole thing cost me about £20 and an afternoon to put it together and knowing the price of a new condenser, as far as I'm concerned it's money and a bit of time well spent :) :)
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Vespa » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:05 pm

Great idea Bob. Something I will look at doing.
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Mike Rometer » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:19 pm

BOBCDP wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm
Mike Rometer wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:58 pm
Appreciated PhilB, just thought someone might have an idea so I could check if I'm likely to be affected. These production problems usually occur in the early releases or at change of supplier. I fall into the former!

Late Edit : - I HAVE been back and read two full threads (from links) and it seems mostly early cars are affected. Mine was reg'ed in first week December 2015, so I will take a look and see if I can fit some sort of extra guard, so the 'excuse' is invalid. O.o.w. or not, it should give some insurance. Also I will have no qualms in using one of our local A/C specialists, should the need arise.
This might be of help Mike

I had my condenser replaced after having the air con regassed at 1 year old, then again at 2 years old (Dealer could not find any leaks on either occasion) and then telling them to fix it once and for all just before the warranty ran out at 3 years old. They finally agreed there was a slight leak and changed it.

I know others will disagree but I think the condenser is highly vulnerable to stone damage through the large holes in both the top and lower grilles. You only have to look at the stone chips on the lower skirt and bumper to see that.
I decided last year after having the new condenser fitted to be safe rather than sorry and I made a simple shield which can be seen in the attached pics.

I used some galvanised steel bar from Screwfix cut to size to make a frame large enough to protect the whole condenser area and then clamped wire mesh between the bars and bolted the whole thing together with m5 nuts, bolts and washers. I then cut a couple of pieces of the steel bar to make L shape brackets which I attached to the shield frame and suspended it from the bolts shown at the extreme left and right of the first pic.

Links to the bits I used.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/alfer-galvan ... 00mm/9227p
https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-butt ... pack/8341t
https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-a2-s ... pack/2639t
wire mesh ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1


Shield 01.jpg


The pic below is looking from above . I found the frame moved very slightly front to back as it was not secured at the bottom so I used a piece of foam which you can just see at bottom left of the pic, to prevent any movement.

Shield 02.jpg


In the pic below you can just see the L shape bracket used to hang the shield.

Shield 03.jpg


The pic below shows the view of the shield through the main grille. It does go right to the bottom so that it protects against any stones coming through the lower grille.

Shield 04.jpg



From memory I think the whole thing cost me about £20 and an afternoon to put it together and knowing the price of a new condenser, as far as I'm concerned it's money and a bit of time well spent :) :)

Yes that's similar to what I had in mind. It's just getting a round-tuit that's the problem, I've got plenty of square ones. :twisted:
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Union Jag » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:52 pm

Thanks Mike (SORRY I MEANT BOB!!!), I wil do something similar to mine...Getting it back on Thursday....and then I will try and find a screwfix in Berlin :lol:
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Fordie » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:31 pm

My car has just been in to the dealers again.
Similar story. Had it recharged at its first service and now 10 months later I've just had it done again. (free of charge)
The dealer couldn't find a leak but agrees that it's not normal, also said I should use it all year round. I pointed out to them that we have 4 cars in the family, we all use the air con year round and this car is the only one needing recharged yearly. I had a chat with the technician who worked on it and I pointed out that I was not happy as the car would be going out of warranty this time next year. The dealer said that the work was all on record and it was noted, so that If it needed doing next year I wouldn't face a large bill as it was an on going issue that I had highlighted. Good will apparently?
Not sure whether I should trust them to keep their word or keep pushing for it to be sorted.
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Mike Rometer » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:50 pm

The last re-gas that I had done cost just £60, at an air-con specialist. Of course, no way should it need doing every year.
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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Union Jag » Mon May 13, 2019 9:31 pm

Got mine done now...Got some stainless steel mesh of ebay.

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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by rekwob64 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:47 pm

This problem has clearly not been resolved by JLR. I experienced the so-called stonechip problem in July 19, on my 15 reg XE. Although under extended warranty, JLR dealer and customer service refused to repair under warranty. It is clearly a design fault and JLR should take responsibility.
Left bad taste in my mouth towards JLR. Everyone I meet, friends, family and neighbours get to hear of my disgust with JLR. For the sake of less than £1K, if JLR had rectified as a goodwill gesture, my story would be different. Poor service JLR. Won't be buying a JLR product again. Does anyone else feel the same way?


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Re: XE Aircon Condenser broken with stone chip

Post by Mike Rometer » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:01 pm

If I have the problem of 'stone chip' I will be sure to ask to see the actual damage before coughing up for a new one. My belief is that it is more likely to be one or both of the connectoins. 'O' rings are cheap!
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