Fold down seats?

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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by BOBCDP » Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:59 pm

I'm sure I read somewhere on the forum a while back, the reason the releases are in the boot is something to do with it being a requirement in some countries.
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by 147daytona » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:44 pm

BOBCDP wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:59 pm
I'm sure I read somewhere on the forum a while back, the reason the releases are in the boot is something to do with it being a requirement in some countries.
If that's the case then why do other mainstream manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Ford amongst others, still have release catches in the passenger compartment? I assume they sell cars to all those same countries.
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by Kushanku » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:46 am

147daytona wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:44 pm
BOBCDP wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:59 pm
I'm sure I read somewhere on the forum a while back, the reason the releases are in the boot is something to do with it being a requirement in some countries.
If that's the case then why do other mainstream manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Ford amongst others, still have release catches in the passenger compartment? I assume they sell cars to all those same countries.

Indeed. I had an Audi A4 and the release was built into the back of the seat. It wasn't an add-on, it was part of the backrest.
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by BOBCDP » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 pm

Kushanku wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:46 am
147daytona wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:44 pm
BOBCDP wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:59 pm
I'm sure I read somewhere on the forum a while back, the reason the releases are in the boot is something to do with it being a requirement in some countries.
If that's the case then why do other mainstream manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Ford amongst others, still have release catches in the passenger compartment? I assume they sell cars to all those same countries.

Indeed. I had an Audi A4 and the release was built into the back of the seat. It wasn't an add-on, it was part of the backrest.

I wonder if it might be that the number of XE's built is very small in comparison with the likes of Audi, BMW etc? As folding seats were an extra anyway, probably most were made with fixed seats. To produce a relatively small number of seats with a front release would be very expensive so the bean counters would just love the choke cable solution.
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by Milfordman » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:46 pm

BOBCDP wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 pm
Kushanku wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:46 am
147daytona wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:44 pm


If that's the case then why do other mainstream manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Ford amongst others, still have release catches in the passenger compartment? I assume they sell cars to all those same countries.

Indeed. I had an Audi A4 and the release was built into the back of the seat. It wasn't an add-on, it was part of the backrest.

I wonder if it might be that the number of XE's built is very small in comparison with the likes of Audi, BMW etc? As folding seats were an extra anyway, probably most were made with fixed seats. To produce a relatively small number of seats with a front release would be very expensive so the bean counters would just love the choke cable solution.
Except the folding seats in the XF is the same. The XF has the rubbish choke cables. Not what I expected from a Jaguar.

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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by IIRXES » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:10 pm

I'm going to look at moving where the release buttons affix to as I have knocked them off so many times. I know we shouldn't have to on a Jaguar but there are many holes in the boot roof there might be one available each side for some minor filing
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by JiggyJag » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:08 am

Milfordman wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:46 pm
BOBCDP wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 pm
Kushanku wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:46 am



Indeed. I had an Audi A4 and the release was built into the back of the seat. It wasn't an add-on, it was part of the backrest.

I wonder if it might be that the number of XE's built is very small in comparison with the likes of Audi, BMW etc? As folding seats were an extra anyway, probably most were made with fixed seats. To produce a relatively small number of seats with a front release would be very expensive so the bean counters would just love the choke cable solution.
Except the folding seats in the XF is the same. The XF has the rubbish choke cables. Not what I expected from a Jaguar.

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The E-Pace has buttons in the backrest as per other makes, but I guess they are making these in much greater numbers as the split folding sits are across the range.
It does almost look like an afterthought on the XE & XF.
Out of interest were they on the previous XF?
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by Deleted User 2182 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:49 pm

I was surprised when I got the XE about the lack of folding seats (and folding mirrors lol), it was a bit of a pain, when I moved to the XF exactly the same.

I’m now on an XF Sportbrake which has levers on the backs of the seats but also levers on the side wall of the boot on each side so you can open them from the boot, the rear seats being weighted/sprung so that the fold flat straight away when you use them. The levers in the boot are flush to the side wall and are definately not an afterthought.

If they can manage such a good solution on the Sportbrake then it is possible to do it on the XE and XF saloon cars as they have already engineered a solution.

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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by glcohen » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:30 am

Phorever wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:20 am
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See if there are these yellow tabs in the boot.
Many thanks for this post. I had no idea that the central part of the split seats had its own catch. If JLR had really wanted to keep the boot secure this catch should have only been operable from within the boot. Maybe the seat releases are in the boot so that someone trapped in the boot can release themselves ?
But seriously - the catches are not in keeping with the rest of the car and better solutions should have been found for the seat releases.
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Re: Fold down seats?

Post by Wastegate84 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:55 am

DavidW wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:49 pm
I was surprised when I got the XE about the lack of folding seats (and folding mirrors lol), it was a bit of a pain, when I moved to the XF exactly the same.

I’m now on an XF Sportbrake which has levers on the backs of the seats but also levers on the side wall of the boot on each side so you can open them from the boot, the rear seats being weighted/sprung so that the fold flat straight away when you use them. The levers in the boot are flush to the side wall and are definately not an afterthought.

If they can manage such a good solution on the Sportbrake then it is possible to do it on the XE and XF saloon cars as they have already engineered a solution.

Cheers
This is exactly the same as an Audi A4 Avant. I guess in theory the rear seats in an estate get folded down a bit more so at Jag cost control they managed to get sign off for the better mechanism and levers.

The only good thing about not having folding seats is that the Jag stays clean and the wife's car gets to do the tip run and carry the odd large item.
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